Below you'll find a selection of interesting posts to r.m.s. from the last 30 days. I recommend reading r.m.s. every day, so if you missed some of these threads here's a recap.General
How Smooth are Race Cars Anyway?
Motor Racing Models
Grand Prix Modelers Association
AutoWorld Catalog is now MailCorpSports Cars
Porsche 917 Kits
Revell/Monogram's SSP re-release of the Scarab
Revell/Monogram's SSP re-release of the Aurora GT40
Another Tamiya Porsche GT2
Tamiya Jagermeister Porsche 935
AMT Porsche 935
Matching Gulfstream Blue for GT40
McLaren F1 Supercar Kits
Fujimi Ferrari 330P
ESCI BMW M1F1
Tamiya Sponsoring F1 Again
Leyton House F1 Coral Blue Color
Ferrari 641/2 Question
1/20 F1 Trans-kits
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From: gt350r@airmail.net (gt350r)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:17:40 GMT
All,
I've had conversations with other modelers on this subject
before and have gotten it both ways. I propose to you this. A RACECAR
finish need not be glass smooth!!!!!!! As proof of this I hold up a
copy of MRRN 31. In it the have a review of Modeler's 1/20th Ferrari
126C2. On page 24 they show the model. A beautiful buildup of a
fabulous model. On page 25, they show 2 race photos of the car in
action. The model has a glass smooth paintjob. Every body panel smooth
and straight. In the race photos of the real car, the panel are warped
and rippled. Obviously the raceteams dont spend the time flat sanding
the body panels to perfection, and why should we?
I've seen Toyota GTP racecar in person, (They had a traveling
show for one after AAR won everything in site and it came to my local
dealership, so i just HAD to check it out!) and the condition of the
body surprised me. There were no smooth panels. No glasslike paint
finish a mile deep. No polished engine pieces. Now mind you, this was
a car that had raced an entire season, but still............
Also, during an F-1 race, Varsha commented on the thickness of
the paint on an F-1 car. About as thick as the cellophane wrapper on a
pack of cigarettes! They sponsor decals have the same thinckness. So I
say LESS TIME SANDING, MORE TIME BUILDING!!!!!
Just my $ .002 worth.
gt350r*
*a Falcon coupe in disguise..;-)
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From: "Charles Gallo" <74020.3224@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:57:50 -0800
What I've heard is that Penskie was the FIRST team to really worry about
how smooth their paint was! That makes this fairly recent
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From: Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:31:21 -0800
Charles Gallo wrote:
>
> What I've heard is that Penskie was the FIRST team to really worry about
> how smooth their paint was! That makes this fairly recent
Of course, don't forget Penske was racing (Sunoco) over 30 years ago. Not
even recent to this old fart
Mike Q
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From: d2kos@aol.com (D2Kos)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: 13 Mar 1997 16:46:10 GMT
>>What I've heard is that Penskie was the FIRST team to really worry about
>>how smooth their paint was! That makes this fairly recent
What do you mean by recent? PENSKE was fielding Bobby Allison's Matador
in 1975!
For another thought, the PETTY team was experimenting with vinyl tops as a
means of
increasing wind drag and creating that little bit more downforce...also in
the early 70s.
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From: aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: 14 Mar 1997 07:25:59 GMT
Top teams in USAC were preparing cars with show-car finishes at INDY when
Penske was still worrying about getting zits on his pretty face!. In the
late 50's and early 60's, top show car painters like Dean Jeffries were
making a nice piece of change by setting up shop in Gasoline Alley, with
candies, pearls, and metalflake paint schemes that were not only colorful,
but of show car quality.
A big part of big-league oval track racing is showmanship, and showmanship
means beautifully turned out cars. Of course, some of the back marker
"shitbox" cars were ratty, but they seldom made the show, and seldom ran
very far. One thing Penske was famous for: crews in clean, PRESSED
uniforms, and lawyers in well pressed pin-striped suites and $200 shoes.
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From: jmaze <jmaze@neo.lrun.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 10:16:44 PDT
In Article<19970223231400.SAA01956@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
<aamresin@aol.com> writes:
> If you are modeling a racecar that has printed vinyl graphics, these
can
> be somewhat dull in finish. Why not experiment with a light (I mean
> LIGHT) airbrushing of "dullcote" over the decal sheet before you
decal the
> model. Of course, you will want to do all your clear-coating and
> polishing beforehand.
>
> Art Anderson
I think he was being S----A--, Art.
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From: Alexander Kung <ask@interlog.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:53:08 -0500
Paul Budzik wrote:
>
> Ditto on the F-1 cars. They're stickers. And they get changed all the
> time.
>
> Paul
Some of the top teams strip the paint completely and repaint the car
between races. All has to do with weight. They don't want to add weight
by adding another layer of paint
Nascars have some sort of rule that the cars have to look new at the
beginning of each race
Later
Alex
http://www.interlog.com/~ask
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From: gt350r@airmail.net (gt350r)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 01:54:43 GMT
On Thu, 27 Feb 97 10:21:10 PDT, jmaze <jmaze@neo.lrun.com> wrote:
> Waxing lowers the co-efficient of
>friction of the surface (less wind resistance but also makes it harder
>for oil and rubber to stick to the surface) and makes the cars
>*prettier* from a distance. .)
John,
Point of Order!!! Waxing a car has no direct affect on the cd
of a vehicle. At speed a boundry layer is produced, that in effect,
keeps the air on the direct surface of the car at 0 mph. The air moved
around the car is then riding on this boundry layer and therefore
ABOVE the car and the waxed paint. But the non-stick coating sounds
right on to me!
gt350r*
*I came in any color, as long as it's Wimbledon White..:-)
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From: ae241bs@prism.gatech.edu (** BOB SIGMAN ***)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: 14 Mar 1997 08:45:35 -0500
I was waiting for someone to refute gt350r's claim that waxing
had no effect on the Cd of a car. His description of a boundary layer should
have brought howls from aircraft people out there. Without refernece
to simple concepts like Reynolds number or advanced concepts like Tollmien-
Schlichting waves, I will present a few simple facts.
The Cd of a car is governed by 2 basic factors: boundary layer type
and shape which involves separation. The flow will always separate over
a car (assuming no energy control devices like bl suction) which is why
NASCARS draft. Separation causes lots of drag. On the surfaces of the car
where the boundary layer is attached, a laminar flow will have a lower Cd
than a turbulent flow. Transition from laminar to turbulent flow can be
delayed by maintaining a very smooth surface (like the P-51 wings). OTOH,
a turbulent bl can remain attached longer against an adverse pressure
gradient. So you can actually reduce overall drag by using a rough surface to
cause transition at some point and prevent even larger separation drag.
Bottom line, smooth waxed surfaces can reduce drag up to a point.
After that you need to worry about separation (that is why NASCAR checks
those roof lines)and surface coarseness my actually help you.
--
*** BOB SIGMAN ***
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: ae241bs@prism.gatech.edu
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From: svanaken@aol.com (SVanaken)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: 15 Mar 1997 02:42:25 GMT
<SNIP>I was waiting for someone to refute gt350r's claim that
waxing
had no effect on the Cd of a car. His description of a boundary layer
should
have brought howls from aircraft people out there. Without refernece
to simple concepts like Reynolds number or advanced concepts like
Tollmien-
Schlichting waves, I will present a few simple facts.
The Cd of a car is governed by 2 basic factors: boundary layer
type
and shape which involves separation. The flow will always separate over
a car (assuming no energy control devices like bl suction) which is why
NASCARS draft. Separation causes lots of drag. On the surfaces of the car
where the boundary layer is attached, a laminar flow will have a lower Cd
than a turbulent flow. Transition from laminar to turbulent flow can be
delayed by maintaining a very smooth surface (like the P-51 wings). OTOH,
a turbulent bl can remain attached longer against an adverse pressure
gradient. So you can actually reduce overall drag by using a rough surface
to
cause transition at some point and prevent even larger separation drag.
Bottom line, smooth waxed surfaces can reduce drag up to a point.
After that you need to worry about separation (that is why NASCAR checks
those roof lines)and surface coarseness my actually help you. >>
Thank you. I found this snippet quite informative and interesting. Where
can I get more information on this?
Now, back to reality that is already in progress--Firesign Theater
For reviews and other modelling stuff visit http://members.aol.com/svanaken/index.htm
Recently added: Nearly 100 photos of modern aircraft from my archives
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From: aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: (CAR) How smooth ARE racecars anyway?
Date: 10 Mar 1997 05:06:51 GMT
At the risk of sticking my neck out, and extending this thread even
longer, I recall reading in "Thunderbolt", by Robert Johnson, that the
first thing he had done to his P-47 was to have the crew WAX it. Johnson
claimed in his memoir that this added several MPH to the top speed.
Perhaps sometimes, life experience defies the engineering
explanation?????.
Art Anderson
======== From: stucker@aslvx1.sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (MIKE STUCKER) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 27 Feb 1997 03:23:16 GMT In article <19970224180200.NAA18985@ladder02.news.aol.com>, jclark4972@aol.com (JClark4972) writes: >The kit(s) that you're looking for were last produced by Union Model Co., >LTD. of Japan back in 1991 - or at least that's what the copyright on the Wave has reissued the 917K. Comes with both 1970 and 1971 rear bodywork. Decals for 1970 Le Mans winner (Porsche Salzburg), 1970 Martini car raced at Kyalami, 1971 Le Mans winner (Martini), and 1971 Monza winner (Wyer-Gulf). BTW, John Wyer was the team owner, not a driver (as someone else had posted). Michael Stucker | Anadrill Schlumberger, Sugar Land, Texas stucker@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com | Definately not Anadrill's opinion. Copyright Michael J. Stucker 1997 Give me ambiguity or give me something else. ======== From: stucker@aslvx1.sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (MIKE STUCKER) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 27 Feb 1997 18:00:29 GMT In article <5f2un4$srh@ohnasn01.houston.omnes.net>, stucker@aslvx1.sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com(MIKE STUCKER) writes: >In article <19970224180200.NAA18985@ladder02.news.aol.com>, jclark4972@aol.com (JClark4972) writes: >>The kit(s) that you're looking for were last produced by Union Model Co., >>LTD. of Japan back in 1991 - or at least that's what the copyright on the >Wave has reissued the 917K. Comes with both 1970 and 1971 rear bodywork. >Decals for 1970 Le Mans winner (Porsche Salzburg), 1970 Martini car raced at >Kyalami, 1971 Le Mans winner (Martini), and 1971 Monza winner (Wyer-Gulf). I forgot to add that Hobby Link Japan sells this kit. (That's where mine came from.) Michael Stucker | Anadrill Schlumberger, Sugar Land, Texas stucker@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com | Definately not Anadrill's opinion. Copyright Michael J. Stucker 1997 Give me ambiguity or give me something else. ======== From: deltaflr@bellsouth.net (Peter) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:47:52 GMT jclark4972@aol.com (JClark4972) wrote: >The kit(s) that you're looking for were last produced by Union Model Co., >LTD. of Japan back in 1991 - or at least that's what the copyright on the >instruction sheet says. It includes parts & decals for both the 1970 & >1971 Le Mans winning cars. The kit is a repop of Heller's 917K of the >early '70's (and still has the Heller logo stamped in the chassis pan!) >and if memory serves, the Heller car was of the '70 Daytona winner. I >picked up my Union car (kit # MC72-2000) at a swap meet last year for >around $30 and Fred Cady currently makes a nice sheet of Gulf markings >(#71) for about $4. Hope this helps... >Hasta >Jeff Clark I bought this kit when it was out in the Testors box - Pretty primitive attempt - I gave up on it (But I am very lazy when it comes to trying build a quality model when there ain't much there) I think I saw a Resin kit advertised somewhere ======== From: "Craig Isberg" <CRAIGISBERG@msn.com> Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:53:41 -0800 Fisher Model and Pattern (www.wco.com/~fisher/) makes a real nice curbside resin version of the Porsche 917 Peter <deltaflr@bellsouth.net> wrote in article <5f5kkh$o8d@news.msy.bellsouth.net>... > jclark4972@aol.com (JClark4972) wrote: > > >The kit(s) that you're looking for were last produced by Union Model Co., > >LTD. of Japan back in 1991 - or at least that's what the copyright on the > >instruction sheet says. It includes parts & decals for both the 1970 & > >1971 Le Mans winning cars. The kit is a repop of Heller's 917K of the > >early '70's (and still has the Heller logo stamped in the chassis pan!) > >and if memory serves, the Heller car was of the '70 Daytona winner. I > >picked up my Union car (kit # MC72-2000) at a swap meet last year for > >around $30 and Fred Cady currently makes a nice sheet of Gulf markings > >(#71) for about $4. Hope this helps... > > >Hasta > > >Jeff Clark > > I bought this kit when it was out in the Testors box - Pretty > primitive attempt - I gave up on it (But I am very lazy when it comes > to trying build a quality model when there ain't much there) > > I think I saw a Resin kit advertised somewhere > > > ======== From: Don_Schmitz@transarc.com Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:47:42 -0500 So does the WAVE (former IMC?) 917K kit have full engine/suspension detail? Can anyone give a mini-review? I just knew HLJ would eventually stock something that I just had to have... Don ======== From: pruneb@aol.com (PRUNE B) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 3 Mar 1997 09:20:51 GMT The kit has a detailed engine. The chassis is made up of many small poorly molded frame members. this model is a typical old heller kit, which will need lots of work to look good. ======== From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 22:36:39 GMT pruneb@aol.com (PRUNE B) wrote: >The kit has a detailed engine. Much to my dismay, the injector stacks are not hollow, and do not respond to drilling very well. Plastruct tubing time. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that it's VERY difficult to get the engine cover to close properly with the engine in the kit. LOTS of fiddling there. And getting the Martini stripes to settle down over the compound curves on the front fenders, on the #22 '71 LeMans winner.... >The chassis is made up of many small poorly >molded frame members. this model is a typical old heller kit, which will >need lots of work to look good. How about "replaced with soldered brass K&S wire"? Removing the molding seams from these fragile things would challenge the sanity of those with the strongest pychological fortitude! MadMat "straitjacket mode off!" ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 3 Mar 1997 13:59:55 GMT Don_Schmitz@transarc.com writes: >So does the WAVE (former IMC?) 917K kit have full engine/suspension detail? >Can anyone give a mini-review? I just knew HLJ would eventually stock >something that I just had to have... IMC isn't one of the five or six companies that have released versions of this one. Many variations have been kitted over the years, and the last two (Protar and Wave) have included both style tails. The rear end is fairly complete with spaceframe, engine, transmission cooling ducts, and suspension. There's probably dozens of small things that would bother the purist. There aren't enough NACA ducts for the Gulf cars, the openings under the headlights aren't the right shape, the panel on the nose has raised lines and the wrong shape, the fuel filler is in the wrong place, the front corners aren't square enough, etc. And it *is* truly a bitch to build. To get the spaceframe aft of the firewall together with the fender liners and getting the engine cover to fit over it all was something I never got right on my original Heller Salzburg kit 14 years ago. I expect to be able to figure it out this time around. I have been doing a lot of reading and taking a lot of photos. I'm looking forward to building this one again. Because of the subject matter, I'll overlook the negatives and enjoy a kit that, in the end, does capture the shape and feel of one of the most awesome road racers ever. There are many builders here who have described much more painful feats than this kit. I'll mention once again the excellent MRRN article on the Gulf cars. I have "the other" 917 kit on the way, the 1/20 scale version with '69 bodywork and long and short tails. I'll let you all know about that one. Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: billvs@aol.com (BillVS) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 16 Mar 1997 03:35:31 GMT What is the price of the WAVE kit, and is there a source in the U.S.? Thanks for any help. Bill Von Staden Germantown, TN ======== From: "Craig Isberg" <craigisberg@msn.com> Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:34:35 +0000 Try Hobbylink Japan internet Mail Order Service BillVS <billvs@aol.com> wrote in article <19970316033501.WAA19664@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > What is the price of the WAVE kit, and is there a source in the U.S.? > > Thanks for any help. > > Bill Von Staden > Germantown, TN > ======== From: twelsh@magicnet.net (Tom Welsh) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Gulf Porsche 917K Date: 17 Mar 1997 02:15:20 GMT Organization: MagicNet, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5gi9fo$p59$1@comet3.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7-17.magicnet.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ I just saw the number 2 Gulf 917K car at Sebring (Historic race) with the 12 hour event. Incredible car for being close to 30 years old!! Spec sheet mentioned 650+HP and a 32 quart oil capacity!
======== From: f1design@vcn.bc.ca (Mark Holmes) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Tamiya sponsoring again in F1! Date: 2 Mar 1997 21:40:17 GMT Hello F1 fans! I just finished visiting Tyrrell's web site (www.tyrrellf1.com) and noticed Tamiya has jumped on board for the '97 F1 season as a team sponsor. Could this possibly mean that us die-hard F1 modelers will be rewarded with a new kit of the Tyrrell FORD 025? Let's hope so! Mark Holmes, F1 Design
======== From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 03:06:04 GMT warp1SPAM@lakefield.net (C.R. Krieger) wrote: >On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:34:29 GMT, cpvn14a@erols.com (Bob Buxbaum) >wrote: >>Was poking around, found the APC Hobbies site, saw a listing for a >>Monogram #124 Scarab, e-mailed Larry Greenberg, and GUESS WHAT? >> >>IT'S TRUE, assuming there are more people than me that care! Should >>look neat next to my Chaparral 2D and Ferrari 275P SSP's. Can't wait. >> >>Bob (master of modelonics!) Buxbaum >>cpvn14a@erols.com >> >I care. Think how impressed Augie Pabst might be at Road America this >summer (or next). Where is it appropriate to have a model >autographed? But it's the mid-engined Scarab that Lance Reventlow and RAI built. That car was later bought by one John Mecom, and raced by some young dude named AJ Foyt in the USRRC. I don't think Pabst raced the middie... the most famous "Meister Brausers", in my mind were the front-engined MkI Scarabs. (From the old Strombecker kit, which is available in resin form from MiniExotics and Resin Repops). MadMat ======== Path: nntp.earthlink.net!NewsWatcher!user From: CarDesigner@heart.com (Skyline GT-R) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 04:38:37 -0800 >>>Was poking around, found the APC Hobbies site, saw a listing for a >>>Monogram #124 Scarab, e-mailed Larry Greenberg, and GUESS WHAT? >>> >>>IT'S TRUE, assuming there are more people than me that care! Should >>>look neat next to my Chaparral 2D and Ferrari 275P SSP's. Can't wait. I thought a Scarab was a type or manufacturer of boats. Wasn't the Monogram Miami Vice Speed Boat a Scarab? When I first saw this post, I thought that's what it was. Johnny the car (rarely boats) guy ======== From: gpetrola@prairienet.org (Gregory Petrolati) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: 7 Mar 1997 17:47:31 GMT Augie owns the mid-engine Scarab as well!! His son Augie III usually does the driving... It's a kick to see the both of them charging about about at Elkart (Road America to you youg squirts). Greg Petrolati -- gpetrola@prairienet.org 1962 TR4 (CT4852L) "That's not a leak... My car is just marking its territory!" Greg Petrolati, Champaign, Illinois ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: 10 Mar 1997 00:00:10 GMT cpvn14a@erols.com (Bob Buxbaum) wrote: >I care. Think how impressed Augie Pabst might be at Road America this >summer (or next). Where is it appropriate to have a model >autographed? Matmat wrote, no doubt while playing his stratocaster: >But it's the mid-engined Scarab >that Lance Reventlow and RAI built. >That car was later bought by one John Mecom, >and raced by some young dude named AJ Foyt... There's a song in there somewhere... >I don't think Pabst raced the middie... the most famous "Meister >Brausers", in my mind were the front-engined MkI Scarabs. (From the >old Strombecker kit, which is available in resin form from MiniExotics >and Resin Repops). Dunno if A.P. drove it in the good old days, but he owns the mid engine car now. He's had it at Road America the past two summers. His son usually drives it, with the father usually driving a front engine version. I'll check the program and see if it has the history mentioned. Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett
======== From: aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: 10 Mar 1997 04:43:38 GMT The last car I saw Augie Pabst drive was the 1941 Bowes Seal Fast Novi (the one mounted in a Miller-Ford Indy chassis) at the Milwaukee Mile last summer. Great car! Great engine (still dyno's at over 500 hp from 183 cid--3 liters). Even greater sound--there are no pidgeon droppings left in the grandstand!. Art Anderson ======== From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CARS: Monogram SSP Scarab Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:15:53 GMT aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN) wrote: >The last car I saw Augie Pabst drive was the 1941 Bowes Seal Fast Novi >(the one mounted in a Miller-Ford Indy chassis) at the Milwaukee Mile last >summer. The car showed up at the Monterey Historics in '93, the Miller Year. The big 'ol roll cage installed in it (per the rules) kinda ruined the profile. >Great car! Great engine (still dyno's at over 500 hp from 183 cid--3 >liters). Even greater sound--there are no pidgeon droppings left in the >grandstand!. Nice sound, yes, but when it's on the track with some supercharged Alfa-Romeo 8C-2300's and a few Bugattis, it's really debatable what sounds best! MadMat
======== From: Jim Neill <jneill@kih.net> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: CAR: Aurora GT-40 Date: 4 Mar 1997 13:15:16 GMT Has anyone seen or built the Aurora Ford GT-40? Revell will be releasing it in their next SSP release, and I would buy it if it's any good. Thanks in advance Jim Neill jneill@kih.net ======== From: jmaze <jmaze@neo.lrun.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: [CAR] Revell SSP GT-40 v. Fujimi Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 18:13:56 PDT Can anyone tell me the difference between these two? (Besides the age and kit technology) Are these different versions of Ford's Ferrarri beater? TIA, John ======== From: aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR] Revell SSP GT-40 v. Fujimi Date: 25 Mar 1997 04:02:12 GMT Fujimi's Ford GT's are MkII's (427--1966). The Revell-Monogram SSP is a reissue of the Aurora (1965) MkI Ford GT. Art Anderson ======== From: Michael J Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR] Revell SSP GT-40 v. Fujimi Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:28:31 -0800 jmaze wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the difference between these two? (Besides the age > and kit technology) Are these different versions of Ford's Ferrarri > beater? > > TIA, > John The differences are major. The SSP (ex Aurora) is a very early car, and never raced in the configuration. The kit is poor at best, bad detailing, tires, etc. Really not worth the investment. MQ
======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: SSP GT40 and Scarab are out! Date: 25 Mar 1997 18:27:59 GMT I just spoke to my hobby shop (Marshalltown, Iowa) and they told me the SSP Scarab and GT40 came yesterday. I'm heading over there after work. I guess there is some sun shine on this cloudy day. Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: First impressions: Monogram SSP Ford GT Date: 26 Mar 1997 14:07:32 GMT I got home with the newly reissued Ford GT about the time M.Q.s post popped up on the screen. Although it has it's faults, many of us will still welcome this kit. It offers the biggest bang for the buck in the blast from the past road racers department from all the SSP releases so far, IMHO. It is a 30+ year old kit, and shows it. But as a race fan who missed the era the first time around, it is well worth my $12. Besides, most of us would have jumped at the chance to buy an obscure GT40 like this for this price at a swap meet! Although not a likely candidate for a contest winner, it should be a fun kit to build. I looked through some books to determine when this version might have been raced. Pre-season testing before the '65 Daytona would be my guess. The kit has wire wheels which they apparently used up until Daytona of that year when they switched to alloy wheels. Perhaps Mini Exotics has suitable wheels. I haven't had time to check. The openings on the hood and the shape seem to fit this time frame. I found no photos of it painted as it appears on the box. The kit reminds me of the IMC kits. The front and rear sections are hinged, but the doors do not open. The main sections that I dry fitted seem to fit together OK. There is a complete engine and exhaust. I can't comment on those as I haven't built the kit. The number of parts and complexity is similar to my unbuilt IMC MKII. The bad news- the rivets on the bottom are quite large the glass, although it appears to fit, is optically distorted the back window has shallow ejector pin marks many parts have quite a few sink marks detail is often missing, or exaggerated seats are cheesy looking the tires Worth the wait for me. It will sit next to several other later, and more successful, versions of this series on my shelf. Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: First impressions: Monogram SSP Ford GT Date: 27 Mar 1997 08:54:20 GMT One thing to keep in mind when observing reissues of kits from the 60's. The tooling then was engineered for the harder styrene in use at the time (less shrinkage when cooling). The newer styrene compounds (softer and more flexible material) tend to shrink more--especially in thick sections). Art Anderson
======== From: MotorRacingModels <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: First impressions: Monogram SSP Ford GT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:16:02 -0800 Hi Tom, The kit actually represents the 1965 Le Mans test car Number 9. MQ
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From: Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 01:19:26 -0800
Thomas D Hiett wrote:
>
> Another version of the Tamiya Porsche GT2 is due in late June. This one
> is the Sogo Keibi car. No details, but hopefully this one will be white
> or at least a lighter color.
>
> The 1/12 Lola T70 reissue is on the list for the same time.
>
> Tom
>
> --
> Thomas D. Hiett
> Designer-Illustrator-Modeler
> Iowa State University
> e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett
Tom it is definetely white. Has blue and red markings. Pretty car,
really, but again little known.
Mike Q
Motor Racing Models
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From: facade@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Casey Michael Littmann)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: 6 Mar 1997 23:51:11 GMT
From article <5fil2a$h4l@news.msy.bellsouth.net>, by deltaflr@bellsouth.net (Peter):
> Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Why doesn't any aftermarket firm take up Road racing subjects?
There are aftermarket companies that produce road racing decals
(F.C., as you mentioned, and Slixx), but since there are only two TransAm
car kits available, there aren't too many kits to put road racing decals
on.
I don't build road racing subjects, but I do see a lack of road
racing-type kits, especially from the "Little three." I'm not even going to
suggest the reasons for this, but I have to guees that it's because there is
not enough interest in the subject matter, comapared to other forms of
racing. Drag racing kits also play second fiddle to NASCAR kits rightw now
also, hence Revell still uses the same basic Funny Car chassis as it did
when Monogram first released the Miller Warrior/Pepsi Challenger/Budweiser
King/7-Eleven F/C's in the early '80's. The same can be said about the
chassis in the current Camaro T/A kit(s). NASCAR chassis DID get updated, I
think beacuse R-M probably sells A LOT more NASCAR kits than the other
types.
One of the advantages drag race model builders have is timinI. Most
aftermarket drag racing decals are for use on '60's era cars, and there have
been new models released form this era ('67 GTX/Coronet, '64 Dodge, '69 Dart
GTS, etc.) which the aftermarket decals are designed to be used on. I don;t
think I could honestly say that the same holds true for road racing
subjects...
> I find
> it hard to believe that there are enough people out there to buy drag
> car decals to make it worth while
I would say that the opposite is true, given the number of
aftermarket businesses offering drag racing (especially vintage) decals.
It seems as if all forms of vintage racing are popular now, but who knows
how long it will last...
While I'm not experienced enough (read "too young") to comment,
perhaps some of the more "experienced" modelers would care to compare the
present popularity of NASCAR kits with the popularity of drag racing
kits (Revell's All-Star Team in particular) in the early '70's? Or would
that be like comparing apples to oranges?
Casey
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From: Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:59:03 -0600
Peter wrote:
>
>
> I personally can't stand Tamiya decal sheets - Both in quality and in
> subject matter (When it comes to Japanese racing subjects) Anybody
> agree?
In quality? Which "kit manufacturer," do you think, supplies better
decal than that of Tamiya ?
As for the subject matter, US manufacturers produce what's popular in
the US while Japanese manufacturers produce what's popular in Japan.
It's simple. Personally, I think Tamiya's doing well by releasing a
variety of subject such as WRC, BTCC, JGTC and DTM.
BTW, some aftermarket decals for the GT-2 are already available.
Hiro
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From: dmawk@aol.com (DMAWK)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: 7 Mar 1997 03:16:12 GMT
Tom Tanner makes decal sets for the Gt2 presently there are BPR versions
and the champion porsche Sebring winner
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From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 03:33:32 GMT
Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Thomas D Hiett wrote:
>>
>> Another version of the Tamiya Porsche GT2 is due in late June. This one
>> is the Sogo Keibi car. No details, but hopefully this one will be white
>> or at least a lighter color.
>> I believe SOK Porsche will be molded in white unless the picture on
Japan GTC web page is
>incorrect.
>BTW, considering the fact that Tamiya released the radio control car of Alpine A110 first, then
>1/24 plastic kit later, I wonder if we can expect Tamiya to release the Porsche GT1 also...
>Or will Le Mans Miniature be our only hope...?
Well, going the OTHER way (down the line) Fujimi just released a kit
of the 911 Cup RSR, which is really based on the new (post-95) 993
chassis. This is raced in Europe as a Global GT Challenge GT2 car.
It's run in the States as an IMSA GTS-3.
In a few months, an article that I wrote will be published in european
car about the AASCO/Richard Raimist GTS-3 car that was prepared by
Dennis Aase. There will be enough photos to allow someone fairly
serious to convert the Fujimi kit to IMSA specs.
Just the same, I wish someone would release a kit of the GT1 monster
that Porsche has unleashed on McLaren. I can't wait to see this thing
up close at Laguna Seca in October!
MadMat
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From: quadrcr@aol.com (QUADRCR)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Another Tamiya Porsche GT2 on the way
Date: 7 Mar 1997 05:07:51 GMT
Ditto on the Tamiya Decal subject matter.....
Have you tried the new STUDIO 27 decals for this kit? EXCELLANT!!!
Jim
======== From: Kevin Carroll <kcarroll@mail.idt.net> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CAR: Jagermeister Porsche Racer Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:57:53 -0800 Peter wrote: > I'm not sure about the 1/20 scale 935 - I don't recall whether it came > with Jager decals - I am pretty sure it didn't - It definitely came > with Martini decals. I had it a really long time ago. Yup, it did. 'Max Moritz Racing', #52, bright orange, with full Jagermeister sponsorship. (and an electric motor, to boot!) 1979, Peter? Kevin ======== From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CAR: Jagermeister Porsche Racer Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:05:58 -0800 Brent Theobald wrote: > I normally build aircraft, but I've seen this Tamiya kit in catalogs > before. I don't know anything about this kit. Does anyone have any info > on it? Tamiya produced a 1/12 #12020, and interesting enough the Martini 935 1/20 scale 935 turbo #20005 comes with decals to make a Jagermeister version. According to Hobbyweb both out of production, but I've seen them at swaps. Rodney Noriel ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CAR: Jagermeister Porsche Racer Date: 12 Mar 1997 14:41:29 GMT deltaflr@bellsouth.net (Peter) wrote: >I'm not sure about the 1/20 scale 935 - I don't recall whether it came >with Jager decals - I am pretty sure it didn't - It definitely came >with Martini decals. I had it a really long time ago. There are two 1/20 scale kits. One was the factory Martini the other was a Kremer car. I think the box showed Vailiant markings (green car), but it may have also included Jager decals, or at least showed a Jager version on the side of the box. Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: deltaflr@bellsouth.net (Peter) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: CAR: Jagermeister Porsche Racer Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:52:12 GMT Kevin Carroll <kcarroll@mail.idt.net> wrote: >Peter wrote: > >> I'm not sure about the 1/20 scale 935 - I don't recall whether it came >> with Jager decals - I am pretty sure it didn't - It definitely came >> with Martini decals. I had it a really long time ago. >Yup, it did. 'Max Moritz Racing', #52, bright orange, with full >Jagermeister sponsorship. (and an electric motor, to boot!) That is long ago - Especially with all this model paint dain bramage X X ^^^^^ >1979, Peter? >Kevin
======== From: Brent Theobald <theobalb@norand.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: CAR: Jaeger Porsche (again) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:17:05 -0600 Hello everyone, we have already established that the Jaeger decals also come in the box with the 1/20 Martini Porsche. Do they also come in the kit with the 1/12 Martini? If so does anybody have one? Failing this I will attempt to contact Tamiya and see if they have any Jaeger decal sets left for sale. Does anyone know how to contact Tamiya via e-mail? I haven't found their address yet. Thanks! Brent
======== From: Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Motor Racing Models Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:44:16 -0800 We have changed the name of our magazine (formerly Motor Racing Replica News) and issue 32, with the new name is on the way to our faithful readers. Do not confuse us with a "publication" out of Maitland Florida which is called Racing Replicas. We have nothing to do with that "publication". Mike Quarterman Motor Racing Models ======== Path: nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: kjs@earthlink.net (Kevin Stewart) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Motor Racing Models Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 03:54:41 GMT Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> wrote: >We have changed the name of our magazine (formerly Motor Racing Replica >News) and issue 32, with the new name is on the way to our faithful >readers. I just received my copy, and it is excellent. The overall quality continues to improve with each issue. I strongly recommend this magazine for all motor racing model builders and collectors. Enjoy! Kevin Stewart ======== From: rjosborn@primenet.com (russel osborne) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Motor Racing Models Date: 14 Mar 1997 22:08:04 -0700 Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> wrote: >We have changed the name of our magazine (formerly Motor Racing Replica >News) and issue 32, with the new name is on the way to our faithful >readers. >Do not confuse us with a "publication" out of Maitland Florida which is >called Racing Replicas. We have nothing to do with that "publication". >Mike Quarterman >Motor Racing Models May have asked this a while back, but not sure so here goes. Does your magazine have much in the way of drag racing? If not, could you point me to one that does. sorry, but am not really interested in nascar or formula 1 or indy models. Thanks, Russ ======== From: Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Motor Racing Models Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:13:11 -0600 Michael Quarterman wrote: > > We have changed the name of our magazine (formerly Motor Racing Replica > News) and issue 32, with the new name is on the way to our faithful > readers. > > Do not confuse us with a "publication" out of Maitland Florida which is > called Racing Replicas. We have nothing to do with that "publication". > > Mike Quarterman > Motor Racing Models A local hobby store went out of business while I was out of the country. I was just going to buy a copy of MRRN to know the subscription rate and the address, but I was out of luck. Can you post the sub. rate and your address? That'll definitely draw more new subscribers, I believe. Hiro ======== From: <103277.1041@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Motor Racing Models Date: 17 Mar 1997 01:21:13 GMT Motor Racing Models (Formerly Motor Racing Replica News) 1077 Bennett Way San Jose, CA 95125 408 266-8143 Fax 408 2566-8153 6 issue subscription USA & Canada $21.00 Europe $25.00 Pacific Rim, Southern Hemisphere $30.00 All others inquire Visa and Mastercard ======== From: <103277.1041@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Motor Racing Models Date: 17 Mar 1997 01:22:35 GMT Sorry, no drag racing, and other than SAE and Car Modeler, there is none. Mike Q
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From: Michael Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: CAR: match for "Gulfstream blue" ?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:07:52 -0800
Don_Schmitz@transarc.com wrote:
>
> The Ford GT40 from hell I've been working on (actually a pretty nice
> resin kit from Thunder Valley Minatures - I've just made it hell by
> being ultra-anal-retentive on this model) for 2 years is nearing paint
> time. Now I need a reasonable match for the light blue used on the
> Gulf sponsored John Wyer racing cars of the late 60s-early 70s. Part
> of the problem is that I've got various pictures of this car that seem
> to be different colors - not sure if this is due to photography and
> printing or if the Wyer team itself wasn't too careful about the paint
> mix.
>
> I'm a detail freak - not a color-perfectionist - so something close is
> good enough. The best match I've found so far is Testors (not
> ModelMaster) "Blue" - looks a few shades too dark but adding some
> white should help - but I'd prefer a ready mixed color and a
> harder drying paint. All suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
Model Car world makes both the blue and the orange colors you need in
lacquer. Perfect matches.
Mike Quarterman
Motor Racing Models
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Path: nntp.earthlink.net!usenet
From: Ben Valdevarona <bv343@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: CAR: match for "Gulfstream blue" ?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:12:43 -0800
Don_Schmitz@transarc.com wrote:
>
> The Ford GT40 from hell I've been working on (actually a pretty nice
> resin kit from Thunder Valley Minatures - I've just made it hell by
> being ultra-anal-retentive on this model) for 2 years is nearing paint
> time. Now I need a reasonable match for the light blue used on the
> Gulf sponsored John Wyer racing cars of the late 60s-early 70s. Part
> of the problem is that I've got various pictures of this car that seem
> to be different colors - not sure if this is due to photography and
> printing or if the Wyer team itself wasn't too careful about the paint
> mix.
>
> I'm a detail freak - not a color-perfectionist - so something close is
> good enough. The best match I've found so far is Testors (not
> ModelMaster) "Blue" - looks a few shades too dark but adding some
> white should help - but I'd prefer a ready mixed color and a
> harder drying paint. All suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
Hello Don,
Contact MCW Automotive Finishes @Box 518, Burlington NC 27216-0518.
Send $1.00 for a catalog and ordering info. A 4.5 oz. spray can costs
$4.99.
Ben
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From: rogerf@tenberry.com (Roger Fish)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: CAR: match for "Gulfstream blue" ?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:00:01 GMT
Don_Schmitz@transarc.com wrote:
> I need a reasonable match for the light blue used on the
>Gulf sponsored John Wyer racing cars of the late 60s-early 70s.
The blue used by JW Automotive was Standard Triumph Powder Blue
('59-'60). Pactra RC Car Racing Finish #RC53 Blue Dust almost exactly
matches the chip I have.
BTW the orange stripes in the Thunder Valley kit (at least the one
that I have) are too red. Look for something close to Humbrol orange
#18. The actual color was Triumph Marigold.
- Roger
======== From: Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Is there a McLaren F1 Supercar model? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:15:28 -0600 specter wrote: > > I've been trying to find a plastic model kit (or die cast) of the McLaren > F1 Supercar (the production model car) for months now. I saw a picture of > what looked like a plastic model kit in a Japanese hobby magazine, and was > wondering if anyone knows where I can get one. I've checked the Tamiya > web site and it's not listed, but I've heard that they make it. Any help > would be appreciated. McLaren F1 die cast models are available in 1/43, 1/18. One hobby shop told me that Maisto was going to discontinue 1/18 and 1/24, so I rushed to get 1/24 scale one from EWA by mail. But that was long time ago, and I don't think they're available now. However, EWA still carries some McLaren die cast models from other companies. Their webside is at... http://www.ewacars.com/index.html About plastic kit of McLaren F1, there hasn't been any, and Tamiya doesn't make it either.(one of those licensing stuff, I guess) I bet the one you saw in a Japanese magazine is from a company called Modeler's, and it's a resin kit of the Gulf McLaren GT-1, not the street version. They have two curbside models in 1/24 scale. One represents the window with black decals, and it's not realistic at all. More expensive one comes with a vacuum-formed window, decent cockpit detail and visible part of the engine. I'm not sure about the availability of the kit now, since left Japan two months ago. Hiroaki Fukuda ======== Newsgroups: rec.models.scale From: JUNT-KONG CHAN <junt-kong_chan@hp-singapore-om2.om.hp.com> Subject: Re: Is there a McLaren F1 Supercar model? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:14:53 GMT Hiroaki Fukuda wrote: > > specter wrote: > > > > I've been trying to find a plastic model kit (or die cast) of the McLaren > > F1 Supercar (the production model car) for months now. I saw a picture of > > what looked like a plastic model kit in a Japanese hobby magazine, and was > > wondering if anyone knows where I can get one. I've checked the Tamiya > > web site and it's not listed, but I've heard that they make it. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > McLaren F1 die cast models are available in 1/43, 1/18. One hobby shop > told me that Maisto was going to discontinue 1/18 and 1/24, so I rushed > to get 1/24 scale one from EWA by mail. But that was long time ago, and > I don't think they're available now. However, EWA still carries some > McLaren die cast models from other companies. Their webside is at... > > http://www.ewacars.com/index.html > > About plastic kit of McLaren F1, there hasn't been any, and Tamiya > doesn't make it either.(one of those licensing stuff, I guess) I bet > the one you saw in a Japanese magazine is from a company called > Modeler's, and it's a resin kit of the Gulf McLaren GT-1, not the street > version. They have two curbside models in 1/24 scale. One represents > the window with black decals, and it's not realistic at all. More > expensive one comes with a vacuum-formed window, decent cockpit detail > and visible part of the engine. I'm not sure about the availability of > the kit now, since left Japan two months ago. > > Hiroaki Fukuda I recently got the 1/18 die-cast model of the road-going McLaren F1 LM(orange) model, the one with the rear wing and all, from Paul Model Art. They also carry a model of the Ueno Clinic car which won at Le Mans a couple of years ago in 1/18 and 1/43 scales. The Maisto one which is the original road car is definetely out of production, I have one of the 1/18 models which I got many, many, many moons ago. Nope, don't know of any plastic kits either. Let me know if you find any. JK ======== From: dwilgus99@aol.com (D wilgus99) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Is there a McLaren F1 Supercar model? Date: 18 Mar 1997 23:07:26 GMT Exoticar Model Company shows a 1997 McLaren F1 GTR in their Winter Supplement catalog,1/18 scale by Pauls Model Art # PMCL,$24.99,color orange. Their address is;Exoticar Model Company,2 A New York Avenue,Framingham,MA,01701.Toll free order # 800-348-9159.Note,model is diecast. ======== Path: nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: kjs@earthlink.net (Kevin Stewart) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: Is there a McLaren F1 Supercar model? If you're looking for a kit, I think the only one (other than 1/43rd) is the Modeler's 1/24th resin kit. For more information, see MRRN #31, or call Motoi at 714-557-6370. Kevin Stewart Grand Prix Modelers Association http://home.earthlink.net/~kjs/gpmodels.html
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From: dweezil@tiac.nospam.net (SW30037)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: CAR: AMT Porsche 935 kit
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:06:20 GMT
aamresin@aol.com (AAMRESIN) wrote:
>This has to be the Esci (or possibly Aoshima?) as AMT never has had a
>Porsche on their own. The closest they ever came was the master patterns
>for a 911 back about 1975--saw them during a private tour of the AMT
>facility in Troy, Michigan.
>Kit was never released, though--apparently they either lacked the money
>for this tool, or decided it would not sell well enough at the time.
Thanks for the information! I guess AMT's "rebox" policy didn't last,
though.
The same hobby shop has two copies of an AMT Porsche 911 kit, I
haven't bought one or looked at the kit closely, but I'd guess that
one is a rebox also. Seems to be from 1991. The hobby shop in question
is primarily a Lionel train dealer, but handles car models as a
sideline. They are good about discounting discontinued kits and
slow-moving SSPs to half price.
I have found a few gems in some department stores' neglected "toy
departments" ...recently found the AMT IMSA Probe ('89?) and the AMT
Taurus SHO (also '89?) for $7 each.
I think the Porsche 935 kit would be a good subject for a model trivia
question:
"Did AMT ever release a 1/24th scale kit?"
(the rest of this thread was less interesting, kjs)
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From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:24:00 -0800
Bench Racers,
What alternatives do we have for the "Coral Blue" on the Leyton House
CG901B? Anyone have any mixing ratios I could start with for Tamiya
acrylics? How about another paint?
Is it just me, or does this color scheme, coral blue and british racing
green, have mass appeal?
Another Question on this car: is the front suspension use a "mono shock"
like the Jordan 191 and the Lotus 107 of this time period? I'd like to
scratch the front suspension. The separate shock cover on the front is
just begging for me to build one.
Last Question (I promise): The decals include "CARGLASS" and
"AUTOGLASS" for the rear induction area, what version is appropriate for
the two. Instructions don't say and my references on the Leyton House
are few and far between, except for that imppressive car crash sequence
that gives reference to the underside.
Rodney Noriel
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From: The Shannons <shingend@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:57:53 -0600
Rodney Noriel wrote:
>
> Bench Racers,
>
> What alternatives do we have for the "Coral Blue" on the Leyton House
> CG901B? Anyone have any mixing ratios I could start with for Tamiya
> acrylics? How about another paint?
>
> Is it just me, or does this color scheme, coral blue and british racing
> green, have mass appeal?
>
> Another Question on this car: is the front suspension use a "mono shock"
> like the Jordan 191 and the Lotus 107 of this time period? I'd like to
> scratch the front suspension. The separate shock cover on the front is
> just begging for me to build one.
>
> Last Question (I promise): The decals include "CARGLASS" and
> "AUTOGLASS" for the rear induction area, what version is appropriate for
> the two. Instructions don't say and my references on the Leyton House
> are few and far between, except for that imppressive car crash sequence
> that gives reference to the underside.
>
> Rodney Noriel
--
Your best bet on the Coral Blue is the Colors By Boyd "Pacific Blue",
available in acrylic or solvent-based. The Autoglass vs. Carglass
depends on the race -- these things happen as advertisers change names
or have different brand names in different countries.
--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shingend@ix.netcom.com
History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could.
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From: Randy & Vicki Frost <randy.frost@sympatico.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:59:11 -0800
Tamiya makes the corect color in spray bomb sold in Canada.
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From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:48:59 -0800
The Shannons wrote:
>
> Your best bet on the Coral Blue is the Colors By Boyd "Pacific Blue",
> available in acrylic or solvent-based.
Thanks for the leads! As a Matter a fact I stumbled upon this Boyd's
color yesterday and bought it. It does match very well and I think I'll
try it. I guess I have the solvent based paint, I don't think I've seen
the Acrylic Boyds paint locally.
Thanks again.
Rodney Noriel
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From: ae241bs@prism.gatech.edu (** BOB SIGMAN ***)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: 26 Mar 1997 08:34:52 -0500
Your best bet is the spray cans of Leyton House Blue put out
by Modellers several years ago.
--
*** BOB SIGMAN ***
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: ae241bs@prism.gatech.edu
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From: rogerf@tenberry.com (Roger Fish)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:13:42 GMT
Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> wrote:
>Bench Racers,
>What alternatives do we have for the "Coral Blue" on the Leyton House
>CG901B? Anyone have any mixing ratios I could start with for Tamiya
>acrylics? How about another paint?
"Miami Blue" is kind of a funny color: it can look very rich on a grey
day and pale in full sun. The blue is a Nissan color in Europe.
Dupont (CENTARI/DULUX/IMRON) 58360 is close.
The March paintwork is glossy, with some depth.
- Roger
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From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com>
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:57:25 -0800
Roger Fish wrote:
>
> "Miami Blue" is kind of a funny color: it can look very rich on a grey
> day and pale in full sun. The blue is a Nissan color in Europe.
> Dupont (CENTARI/DULUX/IMRON) 58360 is close.
>
Roger,
I am kind of new to the Hobby and seen many reference international (?)
color standards. Where do you get this information? Is ther a site
that explains these color standards? Is there a reference for the
colors of specific cars?
Rodney Noriel
========
From: robdebi@dutlbcz.lr.tudelft.nl (Rob de Bie)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: [CAR] Leyton House Coral Blue Question?
Date: 27 Mar 1997 17:49:57 GMT
Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> wrote:
>Bench Racers,
>
>What alternatives do we have for the "Coral Blue" on the Leyton House
>CG901B? Anyone have any mixing ratios I could start with for Tamiya
>acrylics? How about another paint?
We happen to have a Leyton House monocoque in our laboratory. I can check
it against a Federal Standard fandeck after the weekend. I have been told
though that there were some color variations.
Rob de Bie
======== From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: [Car] Opinoins on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:45:23 -0800 Bench Racers, I have an oportunity to buy a Fujimi Ferrari 330P. Anyone have this or built this? Is the kit as fantastic as the box says? Looks like it includes some photo etched parts. Is this the caliber of the Porsche 356 Fujimi kits? Rodney Noriel ======== From: Hiroaki Fukuda <hirofkd@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinoins on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:40:39 -0600 Rodney Noriel wrote: > > Bench Racers, > > I have an oportunity to buy a Fujimi Ferrari 330P. Anyone have this or > built this? Is the kit as fantastic as the box says? Looks like it > includes some photo etched parts. Is this the caliber of the Porsche > 356 Fujimi kits? > > Rodney Noriel It depends on how much you have to pay for that kit. Considering the Japanese price, around $35 is probably acceptable. The kit is nicely done, particularly the tires and wheels. It's a curbside kit, but good enough to use it as a base for minor and major modification. Most important fact is that Fujimi discontinued all Ferrari kits so I recommend you to just have it without thinking. I bought Fujimi's 288GTO and 330P4 immediately after I heard the news. Hiroaki Fukuda ======== From: cd001985@mindspring.com (Bill Schmidt) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinoins on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:11:50 GMT Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> wrote: >Bench Racers, >I have an oportunity to buy a Fujimi Ferrari 330P. Anyone have this or >built this? Is the kit as fantastic as the box says? Looks like it >includes some photo etched parts. Is this the caliber of the Porsche >356 Fujimi kits? >Rodney Noriel I do believe that it's a curbside kit, so I'd say "fantastic" is not applicable. Check out the article by Charlie Bennett in the Nov/Dec 1996 IPMS journal. He built it with extra detail in 500 hours (!!??). And it's still a curbside!. 'looks pretty, though. Bill Schmidt Long Island Scale Model Society ======== From: Alexander Kung <ask@interlog.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinoins on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:50:09 -0500 Rodney Noriel wrote: > > Bench Racers, > > I have an oportunity to buy a Fujimi Ferrari 330P. Anyone have this or > built this? Is the kit as fantastic as the box says? Looks like it > includes some photo etched parts. Is this the caliber of the Porsche > 356 Fujimi kits? > > Rodney Noriel I have this kit but haven't built it yet. Body, wheels and tires look very nice. It is a curbside and isn't in the same league as the Fujimi Enthusiast Models. If you want an engine you will have to find an old Heller/Union 330P4 and steal the engine from it I say buy the kit since it is a very nice looking car. As someone else stated these kits will be discontinued so if you see them at a swap meet in hte future it may be a bit more expensive Later Alex http://www.interlog.com/~ask ======== Newsgroups: rec.models.scale From: JUNT-KONG CHAN <junt-kong_chan@hp-singapore-om2.om.hp.com> Subject: Re: [Car] Opinoins on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:16:43 GMT Alexander Kung wrote: > > Rodney Noriel wrote: > > > > Bench Racers, > > > > I have an oportunity to buy a Fujimi Ferrari 330P. Anyone have this or > > built this? Is the kit as fantastic as the box says? Looks like it > > includes some photo etched parts. Is this the caliber of the Porsche > > 356 Fujimi kits? > > > > Rodney Noriel > > I have this kit but haven't built it yet. Body, wheels and tires look very nice. It is a curbside and isn't in > the same league as the Fujimi Enthusiast Models. > > If you want an engine you will have to find an old Heller/Union 330P4 and steal the engine from it > > I say buy the kit since it is a very nice looking car. As someone else stated these kits will be discontinued > so if you see them at a swap meet in hte future it may be a bit more expensive > > Later > > Alex > http://www.interlog.com/~ask Can anyone help me in locating one of these kits? I've been trying for the past 7 years to get my hands on one, but if you are in S.E.A, you'll probably never see one. I've tried Hobbyweb, but they said it was out. JK
======== From: rdevans@globalserve.on.ca (Dave Evans) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinions on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:12:08 GMT One of the sexiest looking racecars ever built! How could you not have this one. Although curbside, it has great lines and photo-etched chin spoilers Recommended! Dave Evans rdevans@globalserve.on.ca http://web.globalserve.net/~rdevans/ ======== From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinions on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:51:45 -0800 Dave Evans wrote: > > One of the sexiest looking racecars ever built! > How could you not have this one. > Thanks all, I thought this same thing when I saw it! I guess I head out his week and buy it. Rodney Noriel ======== From: Michael J Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [Car] Opinions on Fujimi Ferrari 330P 1/24 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:29:14 -0800 Hi Rodney Sounds like you are getting hooked. Soon I will be able to trade Corrado parts for those hard to get models you MUST have. MQ Model Pusher
======== From: "William W. Chan" <wilchan@infospace-inc.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: build 1/12 Ferrari 641/2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:17:55 -0800 Hi fellows, I am building the Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari 641/2 and I found that there is some problem to get the body cowling to fit with the side panels and front nose cover. While the rest of the body fit with body panel, the front part of body cowling tips upwards. When I push the front down, the back tips upwards. I believe the front screw holder is used to align the front nose cover and front part of body cowling. But I wonder if it is strong enough to keep the front nose cover down? If I remove both side panels, the body cowling fit perfectly. I am wondering if both side panel need be sanded off to fit body cowling. Does anyone encounter the same problem?? If so, how do you solve it?? Please advise, -- william
======== From: Michael J Quarterman <"103277,1041"@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: 1:20 F1 Transkit Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:03:56 -0800 Niki Lai wrote: > > I am looking for those 1:20 F1 transkits for Tamiya produced by a company > called > "Thumb Creation". Do anybody know where I could find them? Please advise. > Is there anybody want to trade or sell? Please give offer. > Niki Lai You can get these kits from Motoi Historic Racing 2524 Lehigh Place Costa Mesa, CA 95125 (714)557-6370 FGax (714)540-9151
======== From: kjs@earthlink.net (Kevin Stewart) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: CAR: Grand Prix Modelers Association home page Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:51:18 GMT Fellow modelers: Please visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~kjs/gpmodels.html This is the home of the Grand Prix Modelers Association. There you will find information about GPMA, and a photo report from Tamiya/Con '97. This report includes shots of the beautiful Porsche 911 by Bill Cunningham. Also, please send me your e-mail information to join the club. My goal is to meet and share information with others who build scale models of classic and modern racing cars. Kevin J. Stewart kjs@earthlink.net (That's how it all started . . .)
======== From: CarDesigner@heart.com (Skyline GT-R) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: 6 Mar 1997 22:15:43 GMT In article <5fiknj$h4l@news.msy.bellsouth.net>, deltaflr@bellsouth.net (Peter) wrote: >Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> wrote: > >>In recent months I've inadvertently become a collector and part time >>builder. Some have said that this is a sign of AMS. Anyway, I found an >>old ESCI kit of a BMW M1, Crystal Clear version. The kit didn't have >>decals but other wise is very complete. Has anyone ever seen or done >>this kit? Does it actually come with Jagermeister decals or is it for >>the regular kit. >>Any good references out there on the M1? BMW fanatics, let me know! > >>Rodney Noriel Um, well it's crystal clear so that you can see the kit under the shell, so why would there be decals for the body to obstruct this view? As far as references, you'll probably have to buy a book on the now defunct but AWESOME M1, or find old car mags from around the time the car was really out. Or cruise the web! I'm sure you car find something. I haven't tried yet but I'm sure the M1 fans are out there. Johnny the car guy ======== From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 03:26:57 GMT Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> wrote: >In recent months I've inadvertently become a collector and part time >builder. Some have said that this is a sign of AMS. Anyway, I found an >old ESCI kit of a BMW M1, Crystal Clear version. The kit didn't have >decals but other wise is very complete. Has anyone ever seen or done >this kit? Yes, and yes. Great kit. There was a whole series of "crystal" kits from ESCI. >Does it actually come with Jagermeister decals or is it for the regular kit. The two that I've gotten both had the Jagermeister cough syrup (heheh) decals. Dave Romero has a set of Jagermister decals for a Porsche 956 that will provide the major logos. The regular kit came in a whole bunch of neat variations. In my own collection, I've got some plain ones with the tricolor BMW Motorsports striping, the Pooh Jeans car, and a Marlboro sponsored machine. After the FIA kicked the M1's out of the Euro Group 5 "silhouette racer" category, BMW got a bunch of them together for a single chassis "BMW Procar" series, run in conjuction with F1 events, with F1 drivers. Absolutely insane racing! These are the cars represented theESCI kits. >I'm not much of a BMW fan but thought that this would >be a fun kit to build. On the last leg of my trip I was fortunate >enought to attend the swap at Valley Con in Pasadena and found another >ESCI BMW M1. A normal version with the wrong tires, I think I can fill >this void easily. They're out there, and not too difficult to find... along with the ESCI BMW Jr Team 320i Turbo (and the Carling Black Label cars, and the Fruit of the Loom machine), and the Lancia Beta Scorpion Turbo (Martini/Ailitalia/BASF) from the same kit series. >I suspect that soon I will come across a real BMW M1 and I'll buy that too. They typically run a quarter million bucks! >Any good references out there on the M1? BMW fanatics, let me know! Whaddya need? I took beaucoup photos of M1's at last years Monterey Historics (BMW event) including the Warhol Art Car. Also, my brother Joe shot some REALLY good photos of the PowerPlant M1 out of Georgia in european car late last year. MadMat ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: 9 Mar 1997 23:59:01 GMT >The regular kit came in a whole bunch of neat variations. In my own >collection, I've got some plain ones with the tricolor BMW Motorsports >striping, the Pooh Jeans car, and a Marlboro sponsored machine. IUve got an old model magazine with a description on doing the BASF car: red with spiral originating on the front and circling the entire car. Never tried it, looks cool as hell. Sounds like something C.R. or Mat would do... Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: 10 Mar 1997 02:48:39 GMT Rodney Noriel wrote: > >Um, well it's crystal clear so that you can see the kit under the shell, >so why would there be decals for the body to obstruct this view? warp1SPAM@lakefield.net (C.R. Krieger) wrote: >You're clearly not a BMW fanatic so, surprise, it DOES come with >decals. The proper ones for that kit are the Jdgermeister set, >although I built mine with the Niki Lauda Marlboro set (There are at >least 2 other ESCI Procar decal sets for the red/white W|rth car and >the blue/white Pooh Jeans car.). Feel adventurous? Build the Gp. 5 version Jim Busby stuffed the Chevy V-8 in! Tom -- Thomas D. Hiett Designer-Illustrator-Modeler Iowa State University e-mail: thiett@iastate.edu WWW: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett ======== From: warp1SPAM@lakefield.net (C.R. Krieger) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:45:20 GMT On 10 Mar 1997 02:48:39 GMT, thiett@iastate.edu (Thomas D Hiett) wrote: >Rodney Noriel wrote: >> >>Um, well it's crystal clear so that you can see the kit under the shell, >>so why would there be decals for the body to obstruct this view? > >warp1@lakefield.net (C.R. Krieger) wrote: > >>You're clearly not a BMW fanatic so, surprise, it DOES come with >>decals. The proper ones for that kit are the Jdgermeister set, >>although I built mine with the Niki Lauda Marlboro set (There are at >>least 2 other ESCI Procar decal sets for the red/white W|rth car and >>the blue/white Pooh Jeans car.). > > >Feel adventurous? Build the Gp. 5 version Jim Busby stuffed the >Chevy V-8 in! > =8^O DON'T!!! Busby was a heretic! Hiett's a heretic! Besides, how are you going to do any body modifications in CLEAR ? If you're going to do this 'abomination', e-mail me & I'll swap you a white body for your clear one. And if you give me the decals, I'll twist Hiett's arm for some reference photos of the Busby car. ;^) C.R. Krieger "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath your dignity." - W.C. Fields Remove "SPAM" from e-mail address. ======== From: Rodney Noriel <rbn@corp.cirrus.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: [CAR]: ESCI Crystal Clear view 1/24 BMW M1 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:49:26 -0800 Thomas D Hiett wrote: > > Rodney Noriel wrote: > > > >Um, well it's crystal clear so that you can see the kit under the shell, > >so why would there be decals for the body to obstruct this view? > Boy, there is some kind of VooDoo going on here. Half of the posts that Tom and CR are posting to I never got on this subject. I never wrote the above part of the message! Humm....now you guys are starting to make this kit seem very interesting. Thanks a for the info. Rodney Noriel
======== From: mhayashibara@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: Re: AUTOWORLD Catalog-Still avail? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:43:04 GMT "F. X. Kranick, Jr." <kranickf1@uofs.edu> wrote: <snip> > The old AutoWorld is now known as Mail Corp and is still operating as >a hobby shop. They still have lots of slot car equipment, supplies and >model kits, primarily cars/trucks. The address is as follows: >Mail Corp >413 Eynon Street (pronounced I-non) >Scranton, PA 18510 >(717) 346-7495 Be aware, though, that one of the people that made AutoWorld truly great, Mr. Oscar Kovoleski (founder of the Polish Racing Drivers Association) is no longer involved with AutoWorld. He's off doing the Can-Am Reuinion thing. More power to him! > While I'm not sure of a current catalog, they did have the latest >AutoWorld catalog produced, probably from 1993/4. As a kid growing up, >we'd often visit the old store to check out the slot stuff and get kits. >Ahhh, the good 'ol days... The catalog was the absolute best, and would support many afternoons of deep daydreaming... MadMat